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Tuesday, 01 April 2008 15:47

Every new system implemented is going to have its critics. People are not accustomed to change and often reject what is different. Take the smoking ban for example. Initially it was slammed and berated, but even today smokers agree that it has been for the benefit of the country. An emissions-based VRT and Motor Tax system will see dramatic decreases in the cost of some cars, and will obviously benefit the environment, but are there other disadvantages that aren’t so obvious?

Why does VRT exist?

One of the biggest complaints is that there is VRT to begin with. Dating back to the introduction of the system, critics claim that the registration fee is more of a double tax on the same item; VAT by another name. Car prices in Ireland are among the highest in Europe, and that is not because of the manufacturers price. It is due to the large amount of tax that we pay on top of that standard price. Though this new VRT system rewards those who buy cleaner cars, some call for a ban on all VRT, regardless of its system of rating.

“VRT is still far too expensive, but at least it is now calculated more sensibly,” says
Conor Faughnan, Public Affairs Manager of AA Ireland. He believes that the new system will reduce the cost of cleaner cars and see more consumers choosing diesel engines, but still argues the case that Ireland is one of the most expensive countries to buy a car in Europe.

“Keeping the new system revenue neutral means that the Government will still be taking in some €1.3 billion in VRT,” claims Faughnan. “The motoring sector in Ireland contributes about €5.7 billion in taxes annually. That’s about 9% of all government revenue – a colossal contribution.”

Free movement banned?

This VRT, and the VAT paid on imported cars, can be seen as customs duty. And considering we are an EU member state trade borders should not exist between us and other member states. Critics claim that these taxes on imports are denying Irish people of European rights. And considering our cars can be bought and exported out of the country by consumers from other member states to their financial gain supports the argument further. Even journalist and author David McWilliams claims that Irish people are being treated like second-class EU citizens when it comes to EU trade rights. He claims that we are not being allowed a free movement of goods. McWilliams is demanding that as Irish citizens we hold off on voting for the Lisbon Treaty until this issue is addressed. A grand demand in itself, it shows the extent to which this issue is a bone of contention.

Provisions for public transport

The government announced this new emissions-based VRT and Motor Tax system in an effort to clean up Ireland’s emissions levels. It was by all means, a step towards a greener Republic. If this is the case, then the support and investment in public transport needs to be increased and monitored. Irish citizens could dramatically reduce emissions by not using their cars at all, and catching their local public transport to work. In doing this they would be using a service that would be running anyway, emitting carbon anyway, but they would reduce their own footprint.

“Increasing taxation on heavy CO2-emitting cars is a positive step, but is it enough to bring about a significant change in behaviour? What of those who have no choice but to travel by car, because they do not have access to public transport?” argues Eamon Gilmore TD, Labour Party Leader. “One billion euro on replacing train carriages and commuter links are fine - if people didn't have to go to work until 2009, instead of Monday morning. Delivering reliable, efficient public transport infrastructure within the next few years - not the distant future - is what will bring about real behavioural change.”

Assumed emission

Another point to note is that the new system rates a car on the assumption that it will constantly be driven. It is based on the potential carbon that the car can emit, not the actual amount. Some drivers take public transport to work, particularly in cities, where parking costs outweigh the benefits of driving. Other motorists are car enthusiasts and buy cars to collect. These people are being penalised unfairly. If a car owner who drives a Nissan Micra, which emits 139g/km, does 10,000km a year, they will emit 1,390,000g of carbon. On the other hand, if a car owner of a Jaguar XK, which emits 269g/km, drives 5,000km a year, they will emit 1,345,000g/km. But the driver of the Jaguar will have paid a substantially higher VRT rate, and will continue to pay €2,000 annually in Motor Tax. Some critics have called for a tax on fuel consumption, or for Motor Tax to be changed each year with the number of kilometres on the car. At least in this case, the emissions tax would be based on actual emissions, rather than assumed ones.

Already made the switch

Finally, the new system of motor tax will be applied on all new and newly imported vehicles after 1st July 2008. This tax does not take account of motorist who has already switched to cleaner cars. Those who have a social conscience and made the step for the environment, and not necessarily their pocket, are now at a disadvantage. The new system should account for these vehicles in some way.


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written by sean , May 29, 2008

why and is there nobody who can take a case to the eu court about this situation after all if we are part of eu no vrt shout be payable
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written by James Mv Dermot , July 02, 2008

Does this mean that a pre 1st July 2008 car is less clean than a post July 2008 car with the same emission level
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discracefull
written by andrew o driscoll , July 16, 2008

vrt is a disgrace and some one should take the goverment to europe as it is a rip off and our roads are 3 world for the tax we pay
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disgusting
written by shane , July 29, 2008

i have just moved to ireland, i bought a brand new car 4 months before coming here (not thinkin i was gonna move here) i was horrified nowing i gota pay these disgustin meaninless taxes(irish road are terrible,my new car willl fall apart within a year,need a truck!)
im just gona keep my car british with european insurance!

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VAT or VRT,one or the other,but not both THANKS.
written by BOBBY , January 22, 2009

Recently purchased a car from japan,(a 1990 1 litre).Here's a round-up close to the figure of what i think is crazy : car cost €1,000+€800 tops for shipping =€1,800.You have to pay vat on entry,for both car and shipping by the way,plus if you paid in USD as i did,you are charged at the exchange rate of the day..not when you actually paid for it,maybe months previously which in my case meant my invoice translated to a few hundred euro more than i had actually paid.But before you start,add  customs fee,as you have to pay vat on that toosmilies/smiley.gifSo now its €1,980+vat(€525)= €2,505 !Add to this approx €240 of local terminal fees,and a customs broker (worth it),and your total is now €2,745. NOW ADD.. VRT of which i was quoted €523,and minus your original shipping cost of €800 and €420(customs+handling+brokers) of fees, and you reach a figure of €2,048. You have now paid more than the price of the car just in TAXES. (over 0). I had always thaught that VRT was a way for not losing out on Vat from Europe,but to have to now pay both is ridiculous.Ok,We pay VAT on other goods from outside the EU, but not registration fees smilies/smiley.gif IT SHOULD BE ONE OR THE OTHER,thats what is criminal.
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written by Noel , April 02, 2009

I think David McWilliams is correct regarding the Lisbon issue. VRT should be abolished due to the fact that very little revenue is now being raised as car sales have near enough stopped due to working class people realizing how much they were being ripped off. The government should now take this opportunity as they will save more by not employing hundreds of staff to enforce this illegal tax and let the motor industry take a cut in profits after ripping of motorists for the last fifteen years.
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rip off ireland
written by ANDREW O DRISCOLL , April 10, 2009

vrt tax drop the tax, we copy English laws but not car prices and the food and clothes as well.

Jail all corrupt bankers AND BRIAN COWEN IS OVER PAID AS WELL AS THE MINISTERS AND HAS NOT GOT THE BALLS TO RUN THE COUNTRY .


RIP OFF IRELAND IS HERE TO STAY .EUROPE ?

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Abolish VRT
written by Tim , March 01, 2010

Can't understand why the gov. don't just drop VRT, (an ownership tax) and put it all on fuel, (a usage tax). How much would it add to the litre, 20c?

Should also set car tax at 150 admin charge for all vehicles.

That way, if the car sits outside the door, (not emitting any CO2), it pays very little, and if it is used a lot, it pays more.

They would also need to give a rebate to tax compliant hauliers.

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How, exactly, are the open market selling prices calculated?
written by Paul McClean , June 26, 2010

Today I negotiated the purchase price of a 2008 Lexus IS220 diesel family car to 15000 euro from a dealer in Northern Ireland.

When I went to get the VRT price for the car, I was flabbergasted to see that it is valued at ** 30000 ** euro OMSP by the VRT system, 32% of which is 9200 euro.

Where do the VRT system get their OMSP figures from? Because they've doubled the value of the car I want to import. This is either a mistake, or pure extortion.

Can somebody please offer me an explanation?

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OMSP are fixed by the simi
written by underdog , October 17, 2010

The open market selling prices are dictated under the table by the simi for the customs and excise it's totally illegal and the simi wont admit it why else have the government not come clean on this issue?? fianna failure time to F++k off i think~??
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vrt = fianna failure money grab
written by liam doherty , October 22, 2010

this tax is totally immoral, like the present leaders of thsi country, so what should teh people expect. We as citizens should be afforded the protection of europe, espically after the lisbon result, but when i asked i was told more or less that its an irish problem! oh to be more like the french and to hell being politically correct or noble
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04 pajero and 01 pajero value on vrt 26500 real value 7000 but they wont fix
written by colm gaughan , January 18, 2011

need help cant get anyone to fix the error and have been asked 3500 vrt should be 780 but custums and doe mot wont help anyone got a number i can call
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Sick of Ireland's treatment of motorists
written by Me , March 18, 2011

I imported a few cars and I can't understand how they can charge so much for VRT. They make up what ever price they like and if a car got popular, the price for VRT on that car would go up. They charged 650 euro for VRT once and the next time I registered a car almost exactly the same it went up to 1800 euro, because the car got popular. To make things worse you pay this extortionate amount for a piece of paper that tells you what the number plate on your car will be, but you have to go buy the plates on top of that, and you can get fined for having plates that are "illegal" you'd think if they wanted everyone to have the same number plates they would just supply legal ones considering the price you just payed, and save you being fined in the first place.
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taxing the wrong thing engine or consumption
written by ken larkin , May 11, 2011

My 5.9Litre car is driven 5 miles a week and my mothers 1.4 litre car does 100 miles a week. I think the smaller car is poluting more in this case. All situations could be taxed fairly if Ireland was to tax the fuel. But i believe this is already 60% taxed.

When they bring in water rates in the next few years they will be taxing you on the size of your tap and not the amount of water you use!!!

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